00:00:00:07 - 00:00:10:15 Phil Yeah. And I get it. I stopped a long time ago, but man, for a while there, I was right there with everybody else. I, you know, I hadn't hardly played the game at all, but I was fascinated by all the shit. 00:00:10:15 - 00:00:13:03 Phil That's all that should be. Yeah, it was so cool. 00:00:13:09 - 00:00:20:23 Phil And we're 140 pages in and almost nothing's happened. It's. It is ridiculous. 00:00:21:12 - 00:00:22:19 Phil Yeah. Yeah. 00:00:24:10 - 00:00:25:17 Kevin No, it's not ridiculous. 00:00:26:13 - 00:00:27:02 Phil What's that? 00:00:27:18 - 00:00:56:16 Kevin Hey there, everybody. Welcome back to Pixelate. My name is Kevin. With me, as always, it's Phil. And today we are reading, recapping and reviewing. Ah, white whale, so to speak. Oh, Lord. It is. It is a book that there are some some lost episodes of from from several years ago somewhere. And it's probably on my hard drive or or somewhere. 00:00:58:03 - 00:01:01:17 Kevin Yeah. Five nights at Freddy's The Silver Eyes. 00:01:03:07 - 00:01:04:09 Phil Yeah, let's see that. 00:01:04:14 - 00:01:06:19 Phil Because what you kids at home don't know. 00:01:07:17 - 00:01:08:04 Phil Is that. 00:01:08:04 - 00:01:13:15 Phil Kevin and I attempted this podcast five years ago. 00:01:13:20 - 00:01:14:22 Phil Maybe six. 00:01:16:03 - 00:01:17:03 Kevin Yeah, something like that. 00:01:17:03 - 00:01:19:19 Phil Maybe because it was back when I was working for stuff. 00:01:19:19 - 00:01:23:05 Phil So it was so this book, the. 00:01:23:05 - 00:01:24:23 Kevin Book came out in what, 2015? 00:01:25:12 - 00:01:29:15 Phil Yeah, something like that. I think it was relatively new when we first started talking about this. 00:01:30:00 - 00:01:36:18 Kevin I want to say 2016. Yeah. Okay. So I think it might have been 2017, which is five years ago. 00:01:37:04 - 00:01:38:11 Phil Yeah, that sounds about it. 00:01:39:00 - 00:01:41:10 Kevin Yeah, five years. 2017 was five years ago. 00:01:42:00 - 00:01:56:04 Phil Yeah. Me and Kevin came up with the idea of let's do a podcast where we read and review and talk about adaptations of video games into novels. And we said, You know what everyone likes right now because it is 27. 00:01:56:04 - 00:01:57:05 Kevin Five nights at Freddy's. 00:01:57:05 - 00:01:58:17 Phil It's it's 2017 Freddy's. 00:01:59:03 - 00:02:00:23 Phil Yeah. It's the perfect poster. 00:02:00:23 - 00:02:03:02 Kevin Was top of the world's top of the. 00:02:03:02 - 00:02:05:13 Phil World. He had just been. 00:02:06:12 - 00:02:09:07 Kevin Discovered to be a hard core Republican yet. 00:02:09:11 - 00:02:15:20 Phil No, not yet. Not yet. I don't think I think if anyone had done a little bit of homework, you could have figured it out, but still. 00:02:15:20 - 00:02:16:23 Kevin Probably couldn't figure it out. 00:02:16:23 - 00:02:34:13 Phil Yeah, you could have figured it out, but. And we said Smurf is perfect to start with because, you know, Will Will, it's a popular game. It's a popular topic. Holy shit. They made up books, book about it. They've got a whole series going at the time. Even then, I think there was like two maybe at the time. 00:02:34:19 - 00:02:37:12 Kevin Yeah, I think there's five total. 00:02:37:12 - 00:02:37:19 Phil Yeah. 00:02:38:08 - 00:02:39:10 Kevin Books that came out. 00:02:40:01 - 00:03:04:10 Phil And we said, let's start with this. And we started reading it and we got one episode in the bank and did we got to I want to say episodes in the back. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. And then we just kind of you know how it is when you start a project with a friend and it just wasn't meant to be and you start bugging the other one about When are we going to get together and. 00:03:04:10 - 00:03:06:13 Phil Record the next episode? 00:03:06:13 - 00:03:08:06 Kevin It's just like, I don't wanna. 00:03:08:18 - 00:03:10:13 Phil I just we just didn't care. 00:03:12:01 - 00:03:13:08 Kevin But we care now. 00:03:13:15 - 00:03:19:18 Phil We care now. I think. I think we wanted to make sure we could get through a year of this. 00:03:19:18 - 00:03:21:05 Phil Show before we were getting. 00:03:21:05 - 00:03:26:12 Kevin Before we we turned our attention back to Mr. Freddy fast. Better. 00:03:26:22 - 00:03:33:14 Phil Oh, my God. Yeah. The Silver Eyes. This is ladies and gentlemen. Kevin couldn't have put it better. This is our white whale. 00:03:34:12 - 00:03:38:06 Phil This. This is, this is. 00:03:38:06 - 00:04:05:02 Phil This will either. Either we get over this hump in the next three episodes, or this show is gone forever or forever. We and we shake hands and and agree to a gentlemen's truce that that that nothing could defeat us. It's not. Not dead space, nor nor infinity blade, nor nor bloodborne. But snap five nights and Freddy's the silver eyes. 00:04:05:02 - 00:04:05:15 Kevin The silver. 00:04:05:15 - 00:04:05:21 Phil Lead. 00:04:05:22 - 00:04:06:06 Phil Us. 00:04:06:17 - 00:04:07:23 Phil The feet. We're going to find out. 00:04:09:05 - 00:04:35:16 Kevin We're going to find out shit. So to get us started, I'm going to just give a little primer on five nights at Freddy's. If you've been I don't know how you're listening to this show and not aware of what five nights at Freddy's is because it is probably outside of Minecraft. It is probably the most famous indie game to ever be made. 00:04:36:00 - 00:04:36:15 Kevin I would say. 00:04:36:17 - 00:04:39:23 Phil It's certainly the most I mean, possibly the most famous horror game. 00:04:40:08 - 00:05:12:13 Kevin No, but yeah, by far the most famous horror game period. Not if we're if we're talking about people's knowledge of it. Knowledge of it outside of the gaming sphere. Right. Because that's the one thing is, is five nights at Freddy's has a very big influence on people who are not big gamers. It more of the the Fortnite and the the Minecraft crowd, you know, the the people who don't play a lot outside of their everyday games. 00:05:12:13 - 00:05:42:13 Kevin So like my my daughter is very aware of, of what five nights at Freddy's is and she's watched videos and she's never played the game. And that's kind of where the the game is in, in the zeitgeist. So it was released in 2014. It's a point and click horror game where you basically just have to divide your attention between a bunch of security cameras to make sure that these are haunted animatronics. 00:05:42:13 - 00:06:02:21 Kevin Don't break into your office and murder you. And that's pretty much it. And we were talking before the show how, you know, the the book has and we're going to get into the book. The book has a lot of fat on it and the game. But the game itself is very, very lean. And that's why it became so popular. 00:06:03:04 - 00:06:44:07 Kevin There is there is very little there that doesn't need to be there. It's very tight. The everything about it is is very specifically done. Now, Scott Cauthen, who is the creator of the game, he made the game after being he got turned on to it because he was making these games that were I want to say they were like Christian did PC games and they were they didn't they weren't going so well because everyone was really creeped out by the animal mascot characters that he would introduce into them. 00:06:44:16 - 00:07:38:08 Kevin They looked terrifying. So with that information in mind, he he took that and he made five nights at Freddy's with these terrifying animatronic dead eyed and animals as as the antagonists. Now, since then, I mean, the franchise has become this massive thing. I there's there's a bajillion games I want to say there's like upwards of six in the main five nights at Freddy's, and then there's a bunch of spinoff games like Security Breach, which is like a, an actual first person like horror game where you, you're walking around a mall or pizzeria or something like that that's littered with animatronics. 00:07:38:08 - 00:08:02:00 Kevin And in, I guess within the last couple of years, Scott Carson has I think it was last year, Scott Carson was outed as a hardcore Republican, donate donator of funds to a lot of people who to a lot of candidates who are in the antithesis of the fans basically. 00:08:03:12 - 00:08:04:05 Phil Who. 00:08:04:06 - 00:08:27:17 Kevin Who kind of who a lot of a lot of gen Z people are a lot more left leaning. And they they grew up with these games. And when it was almost like a betrayal when they found out that Scott Cawthon, Scott Cawthon was donating to these Republican candidates who would rather they didn't exist in the way that they do. 00:08:28:12 - 00:08:56:11 Kevin So Coffin announced his retirement. He's not in the scene anymore. He's he basically left five nights at Freddy's to some some people and like hey, you know, the the company handles it. He doesn't he's not involved in the day to day anymore. And he is retired and spending time with his family. And that's pretty much the overall summary of five nights at Freddy's and its cultural impact, basically from 2014 to now. 00:08:57:23 - 00:08:59:10 Kevin It's it's kind of a big one. 00:09:00:00 - 00:09:00:10 Phil Right. 00:09:02:00 - 00:09:09:14 Kevin Phil, did you did you look into aside from Scott Carson, who is listed as an author? 00:09:09:20 - 00:09:10:17 Phil He is. 00:09:10:17 - 00:09:34:16 Phil Well, yeah. Yeah, he's he's listed as the author on this. And every last one of the Freddy books that have come out from this novel series, which is that this is the first entry into to all kinds of smaller pieces. His name always appears on it, which makes it feel a little bit like a Tom Clancy sort of thing, you know? 00:09:34:19 - 00:09:35:06 Kevin Yeah. 00:09:35:06 - 00:10:05:11 Phil Yeah, it's his branding more than anything else. It's unclear how much of the writing for this book, for example, that he actually did in the hesitant to say that he did nothing and that it was just ghostwritten by Miss Chiara Breed recently, which we'll talk about in a second because as you know, as you hinted at with his his games, the games are very lean, but the lore behind them is very elaborate. 00:10:05:11 - 00:10:38:05 Phil And if you believe people like the YouTuber, Matt, Pat and other, you know, associated personalities online who have done quite a bit of research and digging and that sort of thing, that this this whole thing is this vast woven tapestry of of a bizarre and violent and strange story that takes place over, over several decades. And I do I think personally, I think that, yeah, there is there is an aspect of that that he is absolutely responsible for. 00:10:38:10 - 00:11:11:17 Phil I also think Carson is probably a smart enough guy that he saw with the Internet and people reading very heavily into certain aspects of the game that he maybe didn't think about. But instead of going, Oh, no, not really. He went, Yeah, absolutely. So yeah. And just kind of worked that into it over time. It's tough to say, but it has absolutely become an absolute rat king of law where everything is just smushed together in bizarre ways. 00:11:11:17 - 00:11:34:12 Phil It's still not clear. And it's actually one of the things that me and a lot of people, you know, your your kid included, for example, that never really played much of the games but but absolutely know a ton about the lore simply because it really was fascinating. So on one hand, I don't know how much Scott wrote of this book. 00:11:34:17 - 00:12:03:10 Phil On the other hand, I'm I'm not willing to go completely on the Tom Clancy route, although it does it does feel a little like that. We do know that for this series of novels, he did have a ghostwriter or not. I don't know if you can call it a ghostwriter if they appear on the cover. But Miss Kira Breed recently, who is a young writer, she came out of Columbia, which is, you know, you heard of it. 00:12:03:10 - 00:12:33:05 Phil She's got quite the pedigree when it comes to her entire bibliography. However, you are hard pressed to find anything but five nights at Freddy's novels and books. She is a she is a credited as a writer for all of the novels. As far as I can tell, for the graphic novels that came of it, she seems to be, and as a result has become a New York's best New York Times bestseller. 00:12:33:18 - 00:12:41:05 Phil Right. Because of this. But I think this is really it. I think this is what she does now. 00:12:41:05 - 00:12:46:01 Kevin Or if not, there's not much. There's not much. I when I Googled her, I didn't find anything else. 00:12:46:08 - 00:13:08:06 Phil Yeah, yeah. There's not much to it beyond that. I do not blame her in the slightest. If I had a sweet gig like this one, I probably would just focus on smaller projects that maybe wouldn't get as much attention right after I, you know, cashed my final paycheck. Same for Scott, by the way. He retired. He didn't need the drama. 00:13:08:06 - 00:13:19:04 Phil He didn't need everyone knowing he was a Trump voter. And he had he said, I'm retiring. I've got I've got more money than God. I might as well. Yeah. Good move, my friend. Good move. 00:13:19:04 - 00:13:20:07 Phil Yeah, yeah. 00:13:21:02 - 00:13:22:02 Phil I don't blame him. 00:13:22:14 - 00:13:30:10 Kevin So those those beliefs in is in his house and yeah you know you can donate to Ted Cruz all he wants now. 00:13:30:20 - 00:13:33:18 Phil Jesus Christ the real. 00:13:34:17 - 00:13:40:12 Phil The real terrifying animatronic in in our in America's closet. 00:13:40:12 - 00:13:41:17 Kevin Those are some dead eyes. 00:13:41:21 - 00:13:43:06 Phil Those eyes. 00:13:43:19 - 00:14:01:06 Phil But what we have here, basically that means is we have two writers whose entire careers are centered completely around the five nights of Freddy franchise, which makes you wonder how this book is so fucking boring so far. 00:14:02:08 - 00:14:03:10 Phil Without, without. 00:14:03:23 - 00:14:05:11 Phil Without jumping the gun. 00:14:06:07 - 00:14:08:10 Kevin Without jumping the gun. It is. 00:14:08:10 - 00:14:12:12 Phil There is a reason that it that this is our second try. It is our. 00:14:12:12 - 00:14:31:11 Kevin Second try for this because here's the wild thing and just a little something I noticed is that this book sits at four and a half stars on Amazon. Sure. With over with nearly 8000 reviews. So in terms of in terms. 00:14:31:11 - 00:14:32:14 Phil Of seven on. 00:14:32:22 - 00:15:03:16 Kevin Goodreads. Yeah, in terms of popular opinion, this book is good quote unquote. It is well-received. And we are the we're going to be the assholes on this series. If you are five nights at Freddy's fan and you like this book, that is not our experience with it thus far. We have we're a third of the way into the book, and Phil and I have this is our second time doing it. 00:15:04:02 - 00:15:40:20 Kevin Yeah, it wasn't easy either time. If you are a five nights at Freddy's fan and you are a fan of this book and you don't want to hear us talk negatively about the book, this might be a series for you to skip, but if you want us to get into the nitty gritty of what the issues are with this book, aside from the fact that it seems to have been written just to connect lore together, it feels like it was just put out to throw to too scattershot some little bits of lore for it. 00:15:40:20 - 00:15:46:21 Kevin For the finale universe. It was it was written like written specifically for Matt. Pat. It was like. 00:15:47:01 - 00:16:08:14 Phil Yeah, yeah. It does pop up from time to time in those videos. And Kevin's absolutely right. You know, as much as we have, you know, twisted the knife a little bit when it came to books in this show that we didn't care for. I always am I, I find it important to point out that, yeah, we do make fun. 00:16:08:14 - 00:16:28:21 Phil We do have a lot of laughs at sometimes these books expenses, but it comes from a valid place of criticism. We've talked to the authors of books that we have made fun of. You know, we're not we're not afraid that we're not hiding how we feel about it. So I invite you, if. 00:16:28:21 - 00:16:29:08 Kevin You. 00:16:29:13 - 00:16:39:11 Phil Love finance unequivocally to hear us out. Let me put it that way. And we haven't finished this book, by the way, as of today, we have not finished this book. 00:16:39:22 - 00:16:47:10 Kevin It might be this this book might turn it all around. It's just it killed our podcast once before. So I think we're on a. 00:16:48:14 - 00:16:50:08 Phil It's it's personal, god damn it. 00:16:50:08 - 00:16:59:01 Kevin It's it's personal. My name is Goddamn Ishmael. 00:16:59:01 - 00:17:02:22 Phil Just call me Queequeg. 00:17:02:22 - 00:17:12:12 Kevin So, anyway, we're going to get into it. Chapter one starts with a flash forward. Fucking hate it. 00:17:12:12 - 00:17:16:15 Phil We're off to a good start. Six. I don't. 00:17:17:13 - 00:17:32:03 Kevin All right, so my problem with the flash forward is that it removes tension up until the point that, you know, exactly this scene is going to happen for the character in the flash forward. 00:17:33:09 - 00:17:38:08 Phil Why don't you. Real quick, could you tell could you tell our audience at home what a flash forward is just in case, maybe. 00:17:38:09 - 00:18:08:03 Kevin Okay, so so a flash forward is flashbacks, super common writing trope. A flash forward is less used the most. The one I like to point to the most is which I thought was actually kind of a neat one, was the third Mission Impossible movie opens with a flash forward, kind of like setting the stakes for the characters and then jumps back into present time. 00:18:08:06 - 00:18:40:15 Kevin So flash forward is is it's not foreshadowing. It's literally showing a scene from later in the story before jumping back into present time. It's not used as often because it's less of a natural writing concept. Like flashbacks are natural because memories exist. And you can think back to something. Flash forward. A flash forward is a little bit more of like a prognostication. 00:18:41:01 - 00:18:42:03 Kevin It's fortune telling. 00:18:42:21 - 00:18:43:14 Phil Yeah. 00:18:43:14 - 00:19:21:09 Kevin So it's it has a little bit of a less natural existence within the linear story. That being said, I don't dislike flash forwards, but as a rule, are they they're as good as the way they are used, but in a horror story. My issue with a flash forward is that a flash forward removes tension because you now know that this is nothing is going to necessarily happen to the character in the flash forward when they are not in that specific circumstance. 00:19:22:19 - 00:19:27:18 Phil So if you're planning on doing something weird with it, which this book is not. 00:19:28:06 - 00:19:37:07 Kevin This book does not seem to be planning on doing something weird with it. The book opens with the flash forward. Foxy is it's foxy, right? That's the. 00:19:37:17 - 00:19:38:18 Phil Oh, yes, it was foxy. 00:19:38:18 - 00:19:59:07 Kevin Yeah. Yeah. Foxy is chasing our main character, Charlie, through Freddy's pizzeria with his hook, and she's trying to hide. And then he finds her and the hook comes down towards her, and we, uh. That's where it ends. It cuts into present day. 00:19:59:15 - 00:20:01:06 Phil That's it. That's it. 00:20:02:00 - 00:20:06:18 Kevin It's a cliffhanger on a flash forward. Fucking. 00:20:09:01 - 00:20:12:17 Phil Anyway, it is. 00:20:12:17 - 00:20:13:19 Phil Going to be a tough one, guys. 00:20:14:01 - 00:20:15:06 Phil It's going to be a tough guys. 00:20:16:23 - 00:21:02:20 Kevin And I will. I'll get this out of the way. There are some this is a very uneven book. There are parts where it is written and it's like, okay, the writer has skill. And then parts of it where it's like it's so frustratingly structured and paced that it loses me so we don't jump to the present day. Charlie is arriving in Hurricane, Utah, and one of my least favorite things about this book is that there's a lot of description words that are just thrown in, like she smiles wryly at the sign, saying her show in Utah like fucking okay. 00:21:03:11 - 00:21:10:19 Kevin I don't understand what that means. Especially because the next sentence is about how as soon as she passes a sign, she has anxiety. 00:21:11:11 - 00:21:13:00 Phil Like, yeah, yeah. 00:21:13:00 - 00:21:16:06 Kevin You know, it's like a conflicting emotions. 00:21:17:02 - 00:21:32:23 Phil Yeah, absolutely. It's it's yeah. We get a lot of those moments where in this in this chapter, basically we're going to meet this group of kids. They are kids. They're one of them. Describes himself as being 17, I believe. 00:21:32:23 - 00:21:35:03 Kevin Yeah, they're 17 old. Yeah. Yeah. 00:21:36:11 - 00:21:57:08 Phil So they're, they're kids and for all of the time we're going to spend with them in the next few chapters, we learn very little about them. And these moments that Kevin's describing like, yeah, we're going to she, she, she smiles wryly at a sign and then starts suddenly feeling full of anxiety. So it's like, Well then what the fuck was the. 00:21:57:09 - 00:21:57:23 Phil It's just. 00:21:58:16 - 00:21:59:10 Phil We're not suggesting. 00:22:00:05 - 00:22:32:07 Kevin There's adverbs that just get dropped into these sentences that just feel really weird. Ryan But I'm not going to. I'm not going to hit a hit on any I'm done for too long that it happens a lot. And that one was the first one to really stick in my stick in my craw, so to speak. Sure. So we get an exposition dump and she's remembering the specifics that she's coming back to town ten years after her friend Michael died because his parents want to do some sort of scholarship announcement, basically. 00:22:32:17 - 00:23:02:23 Kevin And it's never explicitly stated, but it's 1995 because Michael's death was 1985. Um, so it's great. She drives through town, she goes to her old house, and we find out that her Aunt Jen has, like, finished paying off the mortgage. This is the house that she lived in with her dad. We from context clues, we assume that her dad is deceased. 00:23:02:23 - 00:23:17:18 Kevin There's not a lot of even through the chapters we've read so far, there's not much discussion as to why or how or anything like that. It's just kind of like referenced that she lives with her aunt Jen and. 00:23:17:19 - 00:23:19:09 Phil Her dad has disappeared. 00:23:19:22 - 00:23:44:16 Kevin Yeah. And we get a lot of very precise descriptions of the house and the room and all that stuff. And it's a lot of it's a lot of time that could be better spent on literally anything else. But we hear that the room has there's the ceiling of the room is slanted to follow the line of the roof and like. 00:23:45:13 - 00:23:46:22 Phil Okay, yeah. 00:23:47:03 - 00:24:04:22 Phil No, no, you're right. No, I wanted I want to touch on that because you're absolutely right. We know about these precise angles of the roof. We know about the carpet. We know about the all of these very tiny, tiny details which. 00:24:04:22 - 00:24:06:05 Phil You could. 00:24:06:05 - 00:24:07:03 Phil Admire. 00:24:07:23 - 00:24:09:23 Phil If we knew. 00:24:09:23 - 00:24:33:08 Phil Any more about our characters. We don't know anything about the aunt, really. We don't know Charlie, Charlotte, if you will, the the the main character. We will get to know her, but we will not get to know most of her friends nearly as well as we will the architecture of this house. So y'all just you all just sit back and enjoy that goddamn house. 00:24:33:21 - 00:24:46:09 Phil Yeah, because that is that is that is the kind of description that the attention to detail that you are going to have to learn to appreciate architecture, not human beings. This is a Frank Lloyd Wright book. 00:24:46:22 - 00:25:27:10 Kevin Yes, exactly. There's some creepy animatronics in her room, which at first she's like, oh, I miss these guys. And then later on in the chapter, when the sun goes down, she's like, Oh, fuck, I don't like this at all. I don't like these animatronics. I'm, I'm sprinting out of the house and and running to the car, which, I mean, I like the fact that it's like hinting at that, that she has to basically two different to two wolves fighting inside of her and one wolf is pro animatronics and the other one hates them. 00:25:28:00 - 00:25:30:15 Phil Right. And the other one's a normal person. 00:25:30:15 - 00:25:46:12 Kevin A normal person who doesn't like animatronics because most people don't know. It's not it's not a unless you're Disney. Yeah. Unless you're you're not going to the park Disney level. It's I don't think anybody wants to deal with it. 00:25:46:20 - 00:25:50:01 Phil Yeah, exactly. The other ones. The uncanny valley loving wolf. 00:25:50:13 - 00:26:21:10 Kevin Yeah. Loves him. Some uncanny valley. So she drives away from the house. I mean, there's there's not too much. This is this is a bunch of pages, but there's not a lot of specifically interesting or story beat moments. She knows she's she has creepy feelings about her. One of the closets in her bedroom, which she has never opened before because it is her big girl closet. 00:26:21:23 - 00:27:02:01 Kevin Um, she, she doesn't want to go into her dad's workshop, you know, stuff like that. She is, she has it's like bad omens, you know, she has some, some bad vibes about this house. So she's gone. She's gone. She's driving down the road and she's going to a diner to meet her friends. And we get introduced to most of the party, most of the main characters that we're going to be living with for the rest of the story, we got a John who is the cool who's the the cool Bukowski writing dude. 00:27:02:01 - 00:27:02:14 Kevin You know. 00:27:02:20 - 00:27:04:21 Phil He's going to be a real mess when he's older. 00:27:05:07 - 00:27:10:15 Kevin He's going to be a real mess when he's older. I'm like adding characteristics to them that aren't in the story. But as. 00:27:10:19 - 00:27:12:13 Phil He's, you might say, don't make them more. 00:27:12:13 - 00:27:16:07 Kevin Interesting, like John has a drinking problem that he's never. 00:27:16:07 - 00:27:17:00 Phil Actually. 00:27:18:16 - 00:27:24:23 Kevin Revealed to anybody that the only way he can write is when he drinks and he does it. 00:27:25:14 - 00:27:26:16 Phil He hasn't been the same. 00:27:26:16 - 00:27:27:17 Phil Since the accident. 00:27:28:06 - 00:27:32:03 Kevin He hasn't been the same since the accident. 00:27:32:03 - 00:27:32:21 Phil Uh. 00:27:34:14 - 00:27:36:08 Kevin What's that movie? Barfly. 00:27:36:16 - 00:27:37:17 Phil Barfly? Yeah, yeah. 00:27:37:17 - 00:27:43:15 Phil That's barfly for all, my friend. All my friends. That's. 00:27:43:19 - 00:27:45:18 Kevin That's John's favorite movie. 00:27:46:16 - 00:27:48:01 Phil It's. Yeah. 00:27:49:05 - 00:27:50:19 Phil It's his aspirational film. 00:27:51:05 - 00:27:56:01 Kevin It's it's aspirational film is to be Mickey Rourke in and bar Flight's Mickey Rourke, isn't it? 00:27:56:12 - 00:28:03:20 Phil It's Mickey Rourke. Yeah yeah yeah. It's a it's a it's a it's a pre sledgehammer of plastic surgery. Mickey Rourke. 00:28:04:06 - 00:28:10:03 Kevin Yeah, yeah. Because he got his face fucked up from boxing. 00:28:10:07 - 00:28:12:09 Phil Right. Is that what it was. I didn't know. Yeah. 00:28:12:17 - 00:28:17:18 Kevin Yeah, yeah. He was he because he went into boxing and he, his face got kind of jacked up from. 00:28:17:19 - 00:28:19:07 Phil Oh shit. Oh, that. 00:28:19:07 - 00:28:24:02 Phil Explains so much, dude. That's fucking hilarious. 00:28:24:22 - 00:28:26:02 Phil I mean. 00:28:26:02 - 00:28:29:18 Kevin Hilarious. It's. It's sad, but it's funny. 00:28:29:19 - 00:28:40:09 Phil Yeah. You're. Jesus Christ. Yeah, you're right. It's not the right word. But I just I think, I think most people think that he just got addicted to plastic surgery the way some. Yeah, I. 00:28:40:09 - 00:28:51:08 Kevin Think it's I think it has something to do with like breaking bones in his face or something like that. Shit. I think I might be totally making this up, but I think it was when he got into boxing and he said. 00:28:51:14 - 00:28:56:05 Phil You're making up, you're making a background for these characters and fact you're making up background. 00:28:56:05 - 00:28:57:16 Kevin For background for Mickey Rourke. 00:28:57:20 - 00:29:00:00 Phil You know, I mean, we're addicted to. 00:29:00:00 - 00:29:03:19 Kevin Making it interesting character backgrounds. What can I say. 00:29:04:08 - 00:29:06:12 Phil That crosses the air? The author isn't so sure. 00:29:06:18 - 00:29:24:13 Kevin So Carlton is the the local kid, and he's the only one that didn't move out of town after the incident. And Jessica, who is pretty that's that's not there. 00:29:24:23 - 00:29:32:02 Phil No. I mean, that's literally all they give her. Like she's nice, but they make a point of saying, like, she's she's nice, though. She's not one of those. She's nice. 00:29:32:02 - 00:29:34:14 Kevin She's not she's not she's not like the other pretty girls. 00:29:34:14 - 00:29:43:07 Phil She's not like the old pretty girl. She's nice. So you can get that idea out of your head. Yeah. Jesus Christ. 00:29:43:09 - 00:29:54:07 Kevin Conversation is really is dumb and really long. And I think in my note and the notes I just wrote, Jesus Christ, I put no other details about what they talk about. 00:29:55:14 - 00:29:59:12 Phil Well, they don't really talk about much. They talk about like one's moved to New York. 00:29:59:12 - 00:30:02:22 Phil And yeah, you see, the ones like what they did. 00:30:02:22 - 00:30:06:15 Kevin And and New York is interesting and yeah. 00:30:07:13 - 00:30:29:08 Phil It's it's and I like to point out here, by the way, we've mentioned this already that I don't want you to forget these kids are all under age. They're all still in high school. We will not be seeing any of their parents at this point. They will be staying in hotels together, alone and unsupervised. One drove. Yeah. Our main character, we know, drove far away to come here. 00:30:29:08 - 00:30:36:10 Phil To be here. These are minors and they're fully unsupervised. And we're just going to roll with that. 00:30:36:10 - 00:30:47:20 Kevin I suppose these are high school minors who are going this is you know, this story could have gone in a bunch of fascinating ways. 00:30:48:18 - 00:30:51:15 Phil We could I mean, set. 00:30:51:15 - 00:30:53:04 Phil Up here for some before. 00:30:53:04 - 00:31:01:09 Kevin The show started. Phil, you mentioned like if in some way you could compare it to it. Yeah, yeah. 00:31:01:16 - 00:31:01:22 Phil Yeah. 00:31:02:03 - 00:31:07:00 Kevin Structurally, but things actually happened in it. 00:31:07:14 - 00:31:12:03 Phil Right. And here's the thing. Some would argue too much that. 00:31:12:12 - 00:31:13:08 Kevin Happens in it's. 00:31:13:09 - 00:31:19:03 Phil Loaded and you learn too much and it's like you don't need all of this padding. We got to make it a repeat of story. 00:31:19:11 - 00:31:24:16 Kevin We did. Like, here's the thing is, we don't need these characters to have an orgy. 00:31:25:07 - 00:31:34:19 Phil No. Well, that is a for damn sure we know we don't needs no one needs that. And, and I'm hoping we don't get to that in this book. But but the point is. 00:31:35:05 - 00:31:40:16 Phil You can make a value of that, right? If you you can make. 00:31:40:16 - 00:31:45:22 Phil A valid argument for Stephen King's approach being a little too much and too much. 00:31:45:22 - 00:32:03:15 Kevin Information other end and take it and silver eyes are like two ends of the going back to my home town spectrum and creepy shit is happening that's like there's there's too much and not enough you know. 00:32:03:15 - 00:32:45:01 Phil Right right we but yeah. And say what you want for if Stephen King wrote too much, which I believe he did, at least we know stuff about our characters beyond just the one who is clearly the main character focus in the next four chapters, we in this chapter, this is where we should be laying it down. We should be finding out lots of interesting things about all of these characters because as you pointed out, given we're going to be spending this book with these people, so if we need to give a shit about whether they live or die when they're in danger or not, this is a great time to tell us a little bit 00:32:45:01 - 00:33:19:13 Phil more than we don't get anything. It feels kind of like, you know, I've read about how in what is that terrible book series Twilight that in Twilight that that you know that Stephanie Meyer wrote the lead female protagonist as generically as possible so that young people could put themselves in this person's shoes and it could be like them. 00:33:20:12 - 00:33:40:01 Phil We can't do that. When we've got like four or five main characters we're following around, we need to differentiate. You can still make them kind of, you know, I don't know, what do you want to say? Vanilla. But they need to be in some direction and we don't really have a lot of direction for these characters. 00:33:40:01 - 00:33:40:17 Phil Give it to. 00:33:41:08 - 00:33:43:07 Kevin Yeah, just give me the fucking breakfast club. 00:33:43:16 - 00:33:44:01 Phil Right? 00:33:44:01 - 00:33:45:06 Phil Yeah, exactly. Here's this. 00:33:45:10 - 00:33:46:14 Phil He's the gate shoes. 00:33:46:14 - 00:33:48:12 Kevin Throw on Breakfast Club to. 00:33:48:13 - 00:33:48:18 Phil These. 00:33:48:18 - 00:33:51:00 Kevin Characters. And I would have been fine. 00:33:51:08 - 00:33:53:08 Phil They would have been fine. Look, you're. 00:33:53:08 - 00:34:00:21 Phil Reading a snack book. We're not expecting you to, you know, reinvent the wheel here. But we need something. 00:34:01:01 - 00:34:02:04 Phil We need something. 00:34:02:10 - 00:34:04:08 Phil This and these chapters are too long. 00:34:04:17 - 00:34:41:12 Kevin These are very long chapters. These are very long. So long. Multiple scene changes per chapter. And it's it's wild how long some of these chapters get. So they get on to the topic of Freddy's Witch and they talk about it with. Here's the other thing is I have issue with as I remember being 17 and I remember I would never have had much nostalgia for Chucky Cheese as these kids have for Freddy's Pizzeria because by 17 I would have been too cool for school with that shit. 00:34:42:00 - 00:34:54:17 Kevin Yeah. Especially if, as we find out later, you're your last experience with the restaurant is your your best. One of your best friends was kidnaped and goddamn murdered. 00:34:54:22 - 00:34:58:00 Phil Right. Which is spoiler alert. What a. 00:34:58:02 - 00:35:27:14 Kevin Spoiler alert. We're going to get to that in like a chapter or two. But anyway, so anyway, they talk about how Freddy's great Charlie gets kind of like upset and leaves. She needs some air on the outside, which is the only interesting character moment that we have in the first chapter from any of them is that she actually has like a micro panic attack and she goes outside, get some fresh air and everybody comes out and like, oh yeah, we, we probably shouldn't have, you know, brought it up, blah, blah, blah. 00:35:27:14 - 00:35:32:11 Kevin Then somehow the conversation gets turned back around to, Hey, Phuket, let's go try to find Freddy's. 00:35:33:05 - 00:35:33:13 Phil Yeah. 00:35:34:07 - 00:35:48:12 Kevin And because Carlton has been talking about how there is construction in the area, he really doesn't know what's going on. And they're like, How the fuck do you not know what's going on? And he's like, I don't know. And it's on the other side to fuck you. John Right. 00:35:48:17 - 00:35:55:20 Phil Right. Everyone gives him shit because like they're like your guy who still lives there and you don't know what's going on. He goes, I don't fucking go over there. 00:35:56:12 - 00:36:16:17 Kevin So they go to it. That's the end of chapter one. Yeah. Chapter two there are is a page and a half talking about this building and it's a fucking mall. Yeah. Like, and the word mall is not used anywhere and it is. 00:36:16:17 - 00:36:16:22 Phil It. 00:36:16:22 - 00:36:25:15 Kevin Drove me insane that there is a, they're talking about how weird the building is like it's just a mall. 00:36:25:16 - 00:36:26:11 Phil It's a mall later. 00:36:26:11 - 00:36:37:21 Kevin In the book it's just referred to as we go back. They went back to the mall, but because it was a fucking mall, like we we know what a mall looks like. We like to go to the mall. That was like it was just never completed, but. 00:36:39:23 - 00:36:40:05 Phil It's. 00:36:40:05 - 00:36:41:07 Phil An abandoned mall. 00:36:41:21 - 00:36:42:03 Phil That's an. 00:36:42:03 - 00:36:42:22 Kevin Abandoned mall. 00:36:43:03 - 00:36:49:14 Phil That's great. Just say that everyone has has context for that in this country. We know what you're talking about. 00:36:49:14 - 00:36:53:01 Kevin So much time is spent on talking about how this building is weird. 00:36:53:01 - 00:36:57:00 Phil And it's it's creepy looking like. 00:36:57:12 - 00:36:59:17 Kevin It's just an abandoned mall. We don't need. 00:37:00:00 - 00:37:02:15 Phil Architecture, not character development. 00:37:03:08 - 00:37:20:01 Kevin Architecture is not character development. We don't need to spend that much time on what the building looks like. Just say it's a it's an abandoned mall. There's an entire esthetic of like that predates this book being written of people like doing the urban exploration into abandoned wells. 00:37:20:02 - 00:37:22:05 Phil And it's huge on the Internet. It's a. 00:37:22:05 - 00:37:23:21 Phil Huge thing. It's a big. 00:37:23:21 - 00:37:29:14 Kevin Thing. We get it. This book came out in 2017. We get it now for 2016. 00:37:29:14 - 00:37:33:14 Phil We and its popularity has everything to do with the Internet. 00:37:33:18 - 00:37:40:06 Kevin So culturally, we understand that abandoned malls are creepy. So, you know. 00:37:40:07 - 00:37:40:17 Phil We got it. 00:37:41:07 - 00:37:47:11 Kevin We got it. You can you can that you got a cultural touchstone shortcut right there. 00:37:47:11 - 00:37:48:19 Phil It's so easy. 00:37:49:07 - 00:37:51:11 Phil Make it make it easier on yourself. But that's. 00:37:51:11 - 00:38:12:16 Kevin The thing. Is it? It distracted me for so long because I didn't know it was a mall until we got into the building. And it's like they get into the food court and the food court. It's just like hand waved away, like, of course there's a food court because it's a mall. But like what? You haven't said it's a mall. 00:38:12:18 - 00:38:14:08 Kevin You just said weird building. 00:38:14:19 - 00:38:32:03 Phil I, I know exactly what you mean because I was in the same place where I was like, it is weird how they describe this is an odd place. What is this? And they and they break in and they're like, you know, there are the different storefronts facing each other across the hall from each other. And I went, It's weird. 00:38:32:03 - 00:38:43:00 Phil It's kind of like an enclosed market of some. So it's a, Oh my God, it's a mall. It's just a mall. I'll just say it's a fucking mall. 00:38:43:09 - 00:38:46:04 Kevin It's a mall that was like never finished or something like. 00:38:46:04 - 00:38:48:13 Phil Right, yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's all. 00:38:49:06 - 00:39:21:12 Kevin Right. So they're running. They're, they basically they get inside because there's, there's a pile of gravel leaning against one of the walls that they can like use as a ramp to get up into one of the, the windows. And they jump down and they start exploring and they have a little like brief moment where they have to hide from a security guard who is, you know, you know, buildings like that that are under construction or in complete construction. 00:39:21:19 - 00:39:37:12 Kevin Yeah, they tend to have security because they try not to you know, kids get weird. It was it was still the tail end of the satanic panic. You know, I'm sure in 1995, I'm sure there would be some metal heads that would go in there and fuck around making. 00:39:37:12 - 00:39:37:21 Phil Oh, yeah. 00:39:38:08 - 00:39:49:12 Kevin There's an animal sacrifice in there. Absolutely. Which would be which would cool. And that would be that would be really cool and that would roll in if they did that. But yeah, there's a security guard and they probably shouldn't. 00:39:50:19 - 00:40:10:14 Phil They just this is, this is the first moment of a danger, any kind of danger that is just glossed over and the and the claws are taken out of it, which is such a strange choice in a book that's meant to be scary. 00:40:11:05 - 00:40:11:14 Kevin Right? 00:40:12:10 - 00:40:14:04 Phil Yeah. So we're going to see a lot of that. 00:40:14:12 - 00:40:22:14 Kevin We're going to see a lot of that where the where the clause where it's declawed before there's really any effort for it to be scary. 00:40:23:02 - 00:40:23:05 Phil Yeah. 00:40:23:15 - 00:40:59:19 Kevin So they, the security guard passes and one of the I think it's Jessica figures out that there's like the the where they are in the mall it's like this wall shouldn't be here. It should be further over. Mm hmm. And they kind of put it together that there's like, this is built around something, and then they they find a an inscription on a opening where it's something that Marla had written about, Carlton on the wall. 00:40:59:19 - 00:41:18:13 Kevin And they're like, This is Freddy Fassbender's bears. And they, you know, they feel around and they find a door in and wouldn't you know it, the mall is built around Freddy Father's Bears Pizzeria and it's still intact on the inside. Now, the first time we read this book, I was like, That's fucking stupid. 00:41:18:21 - 00:41:20:02 Phil And now I'm like. 00:41:21:00 - 00:41:30:02 Kevin I'm. I'm thinking about it. And they might get to this later. And the first of all, the characters are not are not appropriate weirded out that that happens. 00:41:30:12 - 00:41:33:23 Phil But yeah, it's a it's an odd choice. So yeah. 00:41:35:06 - 00:42:06:04 Kevin But also just having of the characters point out be like, oh like I've heard about this, there's, there's, I think there's like a mall somewhere or it's either in England or something like that where there's this basically they had the entire block except this old woman's house and the old woman was like, it's like the it's actually the story of up the story of up borrowed from this where the the old woman's like, no, I'm not going to sell. 00:42:06:04 - 00:42:13:14 Kevin And they basically the entire like. BLOCK Except is except for her property is like carved around. 00:42:14:08 - 00:42:14:13 Phil And. 00:42:14:13 - 00:42:36:21 Kevin Built around her property. And so what I was like, I was thinking, okay, well, maybe they just didn't have like they couldn't figure out the ownership stuff with the pizzeria, so they just built around it. That's like my head can. And now maybe they'll eventually get to that or maybe they'll just ignore it. I don't know. 00:42:36:21 - 00:43:09:03 Phil I feel like with with how much weird quasi not mystical, but like resident evil puzzle style shit has been built into the world of fantasy through all of this internet lore and and mystery and weaving and stuff like that, that there has to be some kind of strange like it. Like they're burying it, they're burying this place. I hope that it has some sort of context to that, like weird, like this is a bad place and we've got to like, just in case it. 00:43:09:20 - 00:43:11:11 Phil Yeah. In this evening. 00:43:11:11 - 00:43:12:06 Kevin From getting out. 00:43:12:13 - 00:43:20:14 Phil Right? Yes. Something like that. I do not know yet obviously, but I fingers crossed that we get something cool like that. 00:43:21:07 - 00:43:38:10 Kevin So they go inside Freddy's, they look around, they have some memories and they hear a music box playing somewhere which is a reference to I believe Freddy plays from a music box right before he kills you. I want to say. 00:43:39:02 - 00:43:51:00 Phil It's, it's, it's usually the tune that's playing when you get to 6 a.m.. Okay. You get a little music box. Yeah. And, and, and, and them. 00:43:51:15 - 00:43:51:23 Phil Yeah. 00:43:53:07 - 00:44:03:18 Phil But yeah. You get that. So it's supposed to be like a good thing to hear that. So I don't know why we're using it for creepy. Amy It is creepy, don't get me wrong. 00:44:03:21 - 00:44:04:23 Phil Yeah, I played. 00:44:04:23 - 00:44:08:11 Phil Those games a long time, so. 00:44:08:11 - 00:44:22:16 Kevin So they're looking around, they get to the private birthday room, which is where foxes stage is. And, you know, Charlie starts having a little panic attack because she has some unresolved issues around Foxy. 00:44:24:02 - 00:44:24:22 Phil I think we all do. 00:44:25:08 - 00:44:30:10 Kevin I think we all do. Why would you make the hook and sharp? 00:44:30:18 - 00:44:41:06 Phil What the fuck anyway, I'm. 00:44:41:06 - 00:44:46:13 Phil Not an animatronics designer. I don't. I don't know how these things work. I don't know what the secret magical. 00:44:46:13 - 00:44:50:19 Kevin It's maybe the I can tell it's dull and that really breaks the immersion. 00:44:51:02 - 00:45:00:18 Phil You just got it. You really you got to, you know, in order to create the illusion of a threat, you have to create a threat. 00:45:00:20 - 00:45:05:22 Kevin So it can't be an illusion. It has to be a real threat. 00:45:06:05 - 00:45:11:11 Phil It's three writers who use subtext are cowards. You know. 00:45:12:14 - 00:45:39:21 Kevin I know who writers subtext and they're all cowards and so Carlton, meanwhile, knocks over some pans in the kitchen and everybody freaks out. And then they're like, All right, well, we got to go, because the security guard probably heard that. And run out and they run out to the parking lot and they got the giggles t he he, he and and that's the end of basically them in the mall. 00:45:39:21 - 00:45:52:22 Kevin And Jessica and Charlie, they're staying together in a motel room. Yeah. Jessica is going to drive Jessica and Charlie drive to the motel and they get there and they have some girl talk. 00:45:54:03 - 00:45:55:09 Phil The yes, they do. 00:45:55:14 - 00:45:56:08 Kevin They do just. 00:45:56:08 - 00:45:57:11 Phil What this book needed. 00:45:57:23 - 00:46:12:10 Kevin Just for this book needed. Charlie says, asks Jessica about a guy that Jessica was seeing. Charlie asks the following question Did you get to know his soul? And I. 00:46:12:11 - 00:46:12:21 Phil Have. 00:46:12:22 - 00:46:32:16 Kevin Bachman highlighted that. And like, this doesn't seem like a word that doesn't seem like a question. Charlie, who the vibe we get from Charlie is like she's semi tomboyish kind of not that we get any specific vibe from any of the characters. It just didn't seem like it would come out of her mouth like that. 00:46:33:17 - 00:46:41:05 Phil Yeah, I have to ask it was this do you think this was like coded like for did you lose your V card. 00:46:41:05 - 00:46:45:13 Kevin Or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Did you did you did did you fuck him. 00:46:46:01 - 00:46:54:06 Phil Did he did he, did he go down to pound town. Is that, you know, like it. You can't say that because kids like this series. 00:46:54:17 - 00:47:17:21 Kevin Yeah. So in that Jessica basically is like oh yeah he was a poet and I read his poetry and it was so bad that I had to tell him it was bad. And I left with his book of poetry in my hands. And next time I saw he was wearing a a sweater vest and had become like a finance major. 00:47:18:12 - 00:47:58:14 Kevin And I was like, Jesus Christ. And then and then Jessica says, I did him a favor. And that's that's the pro capitalism messaging. That is embedded in the five nights at Freddy's franchise. Right there. Right there is is is the banker is worth more than the poem the poet. And I dare you good people listening to counter that argument because it's an easy one to counter. 00:47:59:07 - 00:47:59:18 Phil Fuck it. 00:48:00:05 - 00:48:12:02 Phil You know, give it a try. I, I also like yeah, I, I, I just, I can't even this is. 00:48:12:02 - 00:48:13:09 Kevin It's a rough scene. 00:48:13:09 - 00:48:35:16 Phil It's a it's just look, it's a bold choice as a writer to write about finding out that somebody is a bad writer. And so you make them into becoming a finance wizard. It's bold to put that in your shitty book. 00:48:36:08 - 00:48:42:11 Kevin Yeah, one would not want to invite comparisons. Right? 00:48:42:11 - 00:48:43:08 Phil Exactly. 00:48:43:15 - 00:48:46:02 Phil Exactly. Dangerous business. 00:48:46:11 - 00:49:01:01 Kevin Dangerous business. Inviting comparisons. I, for one, am against it. I try not to invite comparisons whenever I can. Yes. Because it's it's it makes me feel icky inside. So this guy is a. 00:49:01:01 - 00:49:01:09 Phil Guy. 00:49:01:09 - 00:49:02:09 Kevin Also forever. 00:49:02:20 - 00:49:13:05 Phil Yeah, I will. I just real quick want to point out that I also try to avoid inviting comparisons. You guys let us know if I invite comparisons better or worse than Kevin does. 00:49:13:18 - 00:49:16:12 Kevin Yeah. 00:49:16:12 - 00:49:17:15 Phil So a fucking. 00:49:17:23 - 00:49:19:17 Phil I can't believe I fucking interrupted you to. 00:49:19:17 - 00:49:21:09 Phil Do that stupid joke. 00:49:22:15 - 00:49:24:12 Kevin And you know what? I'm leaving it in. I'm not at it. 00:49:26:03 - 00:49:27:18 Phil I deserve it. I deserve. 00:49:32:15 - 00:49:49:09 Kevin Good. The conversation goes on forever. There's a really weird moment where Jessica talks about going to a funeral parlor and how it's an old timey funeral parlor with the casket open. And I was like, like any funeral parlor, I've ever been to. 00:49:49:14 - 00:49:51:01 Phil That's just a funeral parlor, man. 00:49:51:01 - 00:49:52:07 Kevin That's just a funeral parlor. 00:49:52:14 - 00:49:52:23 Phil I don't. 00:49:52:23 - 00:49:55:02 Kevin I don't. Did have they changed? 00:49:55:11 - 00:49:57:09 Phil And this is 1995, by the way. 00:49:57:13 - 00:49:58:16 Kevin 1994. 00:49:59:01 - 00:50:01:13 Phil Of just a regular ass funeral parlor. 00:50:01:13 - 00:50:08:15 Kevin I specifically went to funerals in 1995, and that was just the regular funeral parlor run static. 00:50:08:15 - 00:50:21:08 Phil Right. Like, I feel like we don't go to funeral parlor funerals much anymore these days. They tend to just be, in my experience, you know, at different places, you know, usually. 00:50:21:12 - 00:50:35:12 Kevin So I don't know. I don't go to enough funerals to know that funeral parlor, like the current ins and outs of rite, whether this funeral parlor is in style or out of stuff. 00:50:36:02 - 00:50:42:02 Phil Yeah. You know what? Yeah, exactly. Maybe we're just lucky enough to know that this is actually a very old fashioned thing. I don't know. 00:50:42:13 - 00:50:49:17 Kevin Maybe chapter three. Marla arrives, and she is chubby, apparently. 00:50:50:16 - 00:50:52:19 Phil Yeah, she's quirky. She's the she's. 00:50:52:19 - 00:51:02:04 Kevin Quirky. She is quirky. And she is she's she's thick and she's like the overbearing aunt type like. 00:51:02:08 - 00:51:03:16 Phil Yeah, yeah. 00:51:04:02 - 00:51:05:15 Phil Which is basically we get more. 00:51:05:16 - 00:51:07:03 Kevin The comic strip. Cathy she. 00:51:07:03 - 00:51:09:23 Phil Kind of fits she I will say I will say. 00:51:10:08 - 00:51:14:20 Phil Marla gets a decent amount of description. 00:51:15:04 - 00:51:19:05 Kevin She's actually the only character that's a character thus. 00:51:19:05 - 00:51:23:06 Phil Far. Right, right. She has a type, you know, like. Yeah, follow it. 00:51:23:16 - 00:51:27:19 Kevin You can follow that. You can, you can like I like the cut of Marla's jib, you know? 00:51:27:20 - 00:51:29:00 Phil I do, too. Yes. 00:51:29:21 - 00:51:38:06 Kevin She's got a shitty younger brother. Oh, God, that kid's bullshit. He's 11, but he's written like he's six. 00:51:38:17 - 00:51:39:20 Phil Yeah. Yeah. 00:51:39:20 - 00:51:45:20 Kevin As a parent of a nine year old, I'm like that. None of what this kid does really tracks for me. 00:51:46:06 - 00:51:49:12 Phil Oh, yeah, I was. 00:51:49:12 - 00:52:06:02 Phil I had to double check that because he's 11. I was like 11 pretty old for like bitching about not being able to play with your action figures, like at a funeral. Like even the shittiest 11 year old, I feel like, understands the gravitas of a fucking funeral. 00:52:06:12 - 00:52:11:20 Phil Well, yeah, yeah yeah. 00:52:11:20 - 00:52:18:17 Kevin So they go back to the diner because who doesn't? Who loves double beats? This guy. 00:52:18:18 - 00:52:19:08 Phil I mean, this guy. 00:52:19:11 - 00:52:21:04 Kevin Loves in some trouble. Beats. 00:52:21:04 - 00:52:28:20 Phil Oh, that last that last diner scene was fucking on fire. So let's let's go back for around goddamn to why not. 00:52:28:22 - 00:53:05:06 Kevin So we got we're now we're at the diner and we got the two final additions or three final additions to the party. Marla, her younger brother, Jason and Lamar now, now Marla Marella and Lamar Lamar are anagrams of each other also. Now we got a John, a Jason, a Jessica and a Carlton and a Charlie. Yeah. And, uh, I love Lamar. 00:53:05:17 - 00:53:28:13 Kevin I personally have a little rule of thumb when I'm writing that I try not to have characters share the first. The same first letter. Yeah, I just. I just try to avoid it, you know? Good. Just best practice, but we got three characters and then two characters, and then we got two. Another two characters with anagram names. Yeah. 00:53:28:13 - 00:53:36:23 Kevin No, I'm not a fan of the names. The way the names are kind of like spelt like I don't know, it, it really bugged me as I thought. 00:53:36:23 - 00:53:37:22 Phil About it more. 00:53:37:22 - 00:54:04:21 Phil Yeah, no, I get it because you know, when you've got this many characters and the characters aren't really differentiated in a lot of clear ways, you know, you do need some sort of quick touchstone in your brain to fall back on. And if they all have similar names and similar, you know, letters and it just it becomes a mush after a while, they're just not, well, cut characters to begin with. 00:54:05:06 - 00:54:11:06 Phil And you make it that much harder for us to keep track of which one is which. And yeah, I'm with you. 00:54:11:19 - 00:54:41:11 Kevin Yeah. Yeah. So the diner scene happens again, except now with Mara, Marla and Lamar. Like, that's pretty much all that happens is they, they, they have a weird conversation about ghosts, which I guess could be it. It could be interesting as a foreshadowing conversation, but it's too long and not really interesting to to give it any gravitas. 00:54:42:05 - 00:54:42:17 Phil Yeah. 00:54:43:03 - 00:55:06:15 Phil It's like a Twitter conversation. It's like you're like it's basically people discussing memories. Are ghosts real? I don't think ghosts real, but I think memories imprint in the room. Well, that's not what I'm talking about. The memories bubble. And it's this back and forth and nothing really comes of it. It just kind of peters out. And I think you're right. 00:55:06:15 - 00:55:14:18 Phil I think if it had just this kind of pointed moment, it could have been interesting foreshadowing or set the tone. Set the mood. 00:55:15:05 - 00:55:15:10 Phil Yeah. 00:55:15:11 - 00:55:19:00 Phil Instead, it just comes off as this rambly. 00:55:19:00 - 00:55:43:04 Kevin Yeah. So they re then they tell Marla and Lamar that they went to Freddie's the night before and then they go off to the thing and they get there. It's, it's at the I think it was at the football fields. Is that it. Yeah. Is that it. Yeah. And they're the parents are. So Michael's parents get up and they do a scholarship. 00:55:43:04 - 00:55:45:03 Kevin These are like the only parents in the entire book. 00:55:45:21 - 00:55:48:21 Phil They get up and do it through. 00:55:50:07 - 00:56:11:14 Kevin They get up and they do a scholarship speech. And then Carlton also gives a speech talking about Michael. Sad times all around if actually comes up that Michael wasn't the only kid that was killed. There were like five other kids that were murdered, like in the same way or something like that. 00:56:12:09 - 00:56:30:16 Phil You know, this is the only time we get like this is like our first bit of fine detail. And we know he's died probably tragically, you know, but this is this is the first. Yeah. It's just like he died and some other kids also got snatched up. 00:56:30:16 - 00:56:31:21 Phil Yeah. Up until now. 00:56:32:03 - 00:57:10:07 Kevin Up until this point, it. It keeps saying everything was great until it happens. Yeah. And I, I'm not a fan of, of that, that heavy like reliance on because the narrator is inconsistently bouncing between third person omniscient and third person. What the fuck's it called when it's, it's just the character or just a standard third person point of view that it's third person. 00:57:10:07 - 00:57:34:03 Kevin It's basically it basically jumps between Charlie's third person point of view or a third person omniscient. NARRATOR If you have a third person all knowing narrator, then the all knowing narrator wouldn't be stopping. Wouldn't have, like, an emotional hedge, right? To say it. There's no need to talk about there's no need to be coy from the narrator's positive point of view. 00:57:35:06 - 00:57:50:09 Kevin So there's some inconsistency in the way the narration is structured. And this that's like a that's like a tier level down in terms of like critique of this book is like there some wibbly wobbly ness. 00:57:51:00 - 00:57:51:03 Phil At. 00:57:51:04 - 00:57:54:00 Kevin Me right in in this straight up narration. 00:57:54:10 - 00:57:56:02 Phil Well, it feels and. 00:57:56:02 - 00:58:15:19 Phil It feels like the author is just like it almost feels like the author's basically saying like, well, there's, there's totally a weird thing that happened and you just you're going to have to wait to find out what it is like. They're just like trying to come up with it at the top of their yeah. You know yeah. Their head. 00:58:16:06 - 00:58:38:09 Kevin Right. There's another book that I'm reading right now, uh, in is a recommendation from Phil and I mentioned to him I'm halfway through it, it's a novella. And in the 66 pages that I've read from from this novella, more has happened than in the 140 pages that we've read for five nights at Freddy's is Silver Eyes. 00:58:38:15 - 00:58:39:16 Phil Yeah, yeah. 00:58:39:16 - 00:59:09:08 Kevin It's what one of the things it's it's a it's a first person narration the story. And the great thing about it is that the way the narrator, the narrator works in that is he'll drop a little crumb of detail about that happens but then doesn't actually it's not like he's he's constantly teasing something that happened it'll just feel like offhanded crumb of detail that it's something about something that happened. 00:59:09:08 - 00:59:36:17 Kevin And then when it's an appropriate moment, that detail will blossom into like a full thing. So in this instance, the issue I have is that it's this detail keeps being like forced upon us that something happens and we're like, we don't need to know more than once. And with the big neon lights, something happens, right? 00:59:36:23 - 00:59:37:15 Phil Right. 00:59:37:15 - 00:59:39:06 Phil What we need is something to. 00:59:39:06 - 00:59:40:09 Kevin Pull us along. 00:59:40:16 - 01:00:04:09 Phil Yeah. There's no time for this. After a while. Like it you give us. If you say you say that once. If you say the when the incident happened in italics, whenever you know the incident, you can do that once for sure. Do that once. That's you shaking a seed out, you know. But then you have to take the next step. 01:00:04:09 - 01:00:23:21 Phil You can't just shake more seeds out because it's boring at that point. We need more to pull us along and we're not really getting it right there isn't? Yeah. Isn't much that's pulling us at this point. I don't know how people got through this book because I'm only, I only got this far because we have a fucking show. 01:00:24:22 - 01:00:29:06 Phil So to do. Let's do the show. Let's do the show. Sure. 01:00:29:06 - 01:00:30:02 Kevin Hey there, everybody. 01:00:30:09 - 01:00:33:16 Phil How are you doing? Still fucked. Sorry. Yeah, sorry. No. 01:00:34:05 - 01:00:42:14 Kevin So it's sad times John and Charlie go off to her old house to soak in some more nostalgia. 01:00:43:21 - 01:00:46:04 Phil Ever since Seljuk 17 year olds. 01:00:46:16 - 01:00:50:16 Kevin These are some nostalgic 17 year olds for I can't do that. 01:00:51:06 - 01:01:14:22 Phil But yeah, you've gotten like imagine, imagine like a character from like Napoleon Dynamite. The the the uncle. The uncle who's like, all he does is talk about his high school football career and everything like that. And he's in his forties or fifties at that point, you know. So it's like that's a pretty well-worn trope. We're talking about 17 year olds who are getting misty eyed over the good old days and shit like they. 01:01:14:22 - 01:01:16:16 Phil These people are doomed. 01:01:17:05 - 01:01:20:02 Kevin Yeah, yeah. Too much nostalgia, too soon. 01:01:21:05 - 01:01:21:18 Phil It's bad. 01:01:22:05 - 01:01:29:14 Kevin So they, they talk about how they had their first kiss together at the age of six. Didn't like that scene. 01:01:30:05 - 01:01:32:10 Phil I guess. Yeah, that was that was not a. 01:01:32:10 - 01:01:32:22 Phil Comfortable. 01:01:32:22 - 01:01:36:05 Phil Scene. 01:01:36:05 - 01:01:41:02 Kevin And I mean, like, it was like, I guess, you know, kids being kids or whatever, but also. 01:01:41:03 - 01:01:41:15 Phil Oh, sure. 01:01:41:18 - 01:02:04:18 Kevin It feels weird. And so they finally go into her dad's workshop and she has a memory of her dad showing her the animatronics and how like the one of them, Bonnie, has like a jaw that would snap shut. And he's like, Don't touch it. It'll bite your fingers off. And you're like, Dude, you are terror bull at this. 01:02:04:20 - 01:02:06:15 Kevin Yeah, you're you're very. 01:02:06:15 - 01:02:07:09 Phil Bad, father. 01:02:07:18 - 01:02:10:16 Kevin You are a very bad father and animatronic maker. 01:02:11:04 - 01:02:14:15 Phil Run me through. 01:02:14:15 - 01:02:44:00 Kevin You're not good. So they talk about the day that Michael went missing. And earlier in one of the chapters Charlie misremembered Freddy as having yellow fur and that stirs a memory. And John saying, you know, the day Michael went missing, I remember seeing a guy and a yellow mascot suit standing by the table next to Michael. And the suit had yellow fur. 01:02:44:11 - 01:02:52:22 Kevin And it's kind of like, don't, don't. Oh, yeah, you know. Yeah, piecing a couple things together, which is great. I mean, that's. 01:02:53:00 - 01:02:53:08 Phil That's. 01:02:53:21 - 01:02:55:12 Kevin Fun. More of that. 01:02:55:12 - 01:02:58:07 Phil Please, please, for God's sakes. More of that. Yeah. 01:02:58:16 - 01:02:59:21 Kevin For God's sakes, more of that. 01:03:00:01 - 01:03:01:20 Phil Move the mystery forward, please. 01:03:02:14 - 01:03:09:18 Kevin Yes. So we are in the diner scenes. We are 100 pages into the book. Give me a little something. 01:03:10:02 - 01:03:10:09 Phil Yeah. 01:03:11:07 - 01:03:21:11 Kevin Chapter four. They finally call it a ducking maul is what my auto corrected notes say. 01:03:21:11 - 01:03:21:21 Phil Okay. 01:03:22:18 - 01:03:27:15 Phil Good to know that still happens. 01:03:27:15 - 01:03:49:20 Kevin And the part. So the party retraces their steps from the previous night. They the security guard thing happens again because double beats are us is this book we got to we got to hit the same we got to do it and then we're going to do it again. 01:03:49:20 - 01:03:50:12 Phil Absolutely. 01:03:51:08 - 01:04:01:19 Kevin So Lamar then says that community service is worse than being shot and after that, I wrote right wing propaganda. 01:04:03:17 - 01:04:23:21 Phil He's for context. He's telling the little they believe they're bringing this 11 year old slash six year old along with them to break into this mall. And the kid's afraid of the security guard and I guess is a way of making a joke. The kids as well, when we get shot and the guy says worse community service which. 01:04:24:08 - 01:04:28:02 Phil Yak, yak, yak. Yeah, yeah. 01:04:28:02 - 01:04:29:09 Kevin Pretty toothless stuff, guys. 01:04:29:21 - 01:04:33:12 Phil Yeah, yeah, yeah. And lords over here. 01:04:34:19 - 01:05:02:01 Kevin So they, they get in there and they're exploring, they're walking around, they find a room behind the stage. And it's the it seems to be the room that is that controlled the animatronics like the yeah. The programing room where they would program the dance moves like there's a button for each like pose for the robots and you could like programed those in for the, for the performances. 01:05:03:11 - 01:05:30:03 Kevin Some people hear the, the music again there's an and legitimately creepy scene moment the only one so far where Jason finds a drawing of a kid hugging Barney and he's very interested in it. And he goes to the wall and he takes it off the wall and he looks away for a moment. And then we looks back at the drawing. 01:05:30:09 - 01:05:37:19 Kevin Now the drawing is of a kid running away from Barney, and Barney is chasing him. And I was like. 01:05:38:19 - 01:05:48:21 Phil Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Do. Yeah, sure. 01:05:48:21 - 01:05:59:15 Kevin So, uh, meanwhile, John and Charlie are playing hide and seek. Um, because, okay, the rest of them find. 01:05:59:15 - 01:06:06:20 Phil Random House scene. They just, like, decide they're going to play hide and go seek in this restaurant. That this. 01:06:07:07 - 01:06:09:03 Kevin The restaurant? Yeah. 01:06:10:14 - 01:06:13:12 Phil The last place their old friend was seen alive. 01:06:13:22 - 01:06:16:17 Phil Childhood. Childhood. 01:06:18:05 - 01:06:18:23 Kevin Bump, bump. 01:06:19:06 - 01:06:20:14 Phil Bump. Okay. 01:06:22:08 - 01:06:49:14 Kevin The rest of them, go find the security room is gives is described as being very much like hey, it's a security room from the game, right. Or something along those lines. And as they're playing around with the dials, they start hearing like a creepy voice or something on the static. There's, there's something going on with static. No. Charlie, meanwhile, thinks she's found a great hiding spot. 01:06:49:14 - 01:07:14:16 Kevin She's behind a curtain, and wouldn't you know it? Holy shit. She forgot she's behind the curtain and she's standing next to Foxy. And she starts to leave when the hook from Fox's hand comes down and slashes Charlie's arm and she falls out. John catches her and everybody runs out and they're like, Oh, shit, sorry. That was probably us. 01:07:14:16 - 01:07:25:15 Kevin We are pressing buttons in the security room and that was like we probably activated Foxy's like pose thing or maybe they didn't, I don't know, maybe maybe. 01:07:25:15 - 01:07:26:09 Phil Ghosts. 01:07:27:00 - 01:07:27:10 Kevin Anyway. 01:07:27:21 - 01:07:28:09 Phil Ghosts. 01:07:28:17 - 01:07:32:15 Kevin Foxes irresponsibly sharp claw. 01:07:34:08 - 01:07:36:16 Phil Design flaw number one. 01:07:38:16 - 01:07:39:01 Phil God. 01:07:39:01 - 01:07:39:18 Phil Damn it. 01:07:40:20 - 01:07:42:15 Kevin Is irresponsibly sharp club. 01:07:42:22 - 01:07:43:23 Phil Your dad sobs. 01:07:44:01 - 01:08:01:19 Kevin Charlie God damn it, Charlie. What the fuck was your dad thinking? And yet the club slices Charlie's arm and that's. They basically they're like, All right, well, we got to go. And that's the second night at Freddy's. 01:08:02:05 - 01:08:05:08 Phil That's sick. He does. They leave. They leave. 01:08:05:08 - 01:08:30:07 Kevin They believe they leave again and leave. And Marla and takes Charlie to a 24 hour pharmacy and get some stuff to bandage her up. And they have a conversation about how like the only reason Jason is there is because Marla's parents or Jason, his parents and Marla's. 01:08:30:23 - 01:08:31:07 Phil It's like. 01:08:31:12 - 01:08:32:03 Phil Stepdad. 01:08:32:18 - 01:08:34:09 Phil Dad and her. 01:08:35:22 - 01:08:55:02 Kevin Siblings or something like that. But anyway, they're they're they're arguing all the time. They're probably getting divorced and all that stuff. And, you know, Marla, the MVP of the characterization race just constantly lapping everybody else and things like having things, you know. 01:08:56:18 - 01:09:02:00 Phil The real I mean, real thing, I mean, afraid of is divorce is divorce. 01:09:03:16 - 01:09:18:22 Kevin That's the real thing. We were going to mention. Lamar does have is agree to have ahead of everybody in is going to uh is going college the next year. Um so that's. 01:09:19:04 - 01:09:22:02 Phil So I mean that gets out as fleshed out as it gets right. 01:09:22:02 - 01:09:24:14 Phil That's yeah yeah well no know that. 01:09:24:14 - 01:09:24:22 Phil Guy. 01:09:26:00 - 01:09:31:12 Kevin John writes is Bukowski in training. Carlton is local. 01:09:32:14 - 01:09:35:12 Phil Yeah I don't know what else we can do with that. 01:09:35:23 - 01:09:37:16 Phil Jessica's attorney. 01:09:37:16 - 01:09:38:18 Kevin Petty, but nice. 01:09:39:00 - 01:09:39:19 Phil Pretty, but nice. 01:09:40:08 - 01:09:47:07 Kevin Lamar is smart. He skipped a grade, and John doesn't like that here. 01:09:47:19 - 01:09:49:01 Phil Jealous, humiliated by it. 01:09:49:07 - 01:09:50:11 Kevin He's intimidated by it. 01:09:51:21 - 01:09:53:14 Phil Jason is 11, but six. 01:09:54:02 - 01:09:56:19 Phil Of is 11. But six yeah. 01:09:57:19 - 01:10:19:15 Kevin Marla is Marla is the the chubby girl from the Cathy comic strips and she has a lot of emotions. Yeah. And her parent, her parents are getting divorced so so and they've spent two nights at Freddy's. 01:10:20:03 - 01:10:21:21 Phil Two nights at Freddy's. All right. 01:10:21:21 - 01:10:28:02 Kevin So are they going to do or do you think they're going to do five nights at Freddy's? 01:10:28:02 - 01:10:51:16 Phil They have two, don't they? I mean, they've committed at this point it would have made it to the bit kind of wasteful. But just just a quick round up of all of our threats, we are 140 pages into this book. We are a third of the way through the book. This is a very long book for FMAP. It's almost 400 pages long. 01:10:51:16 - 01:11:25:23 Phil Our threats after one third of the book is up. Aside from flash forwards and flashbacks with, you know, memories of robots, one accidental question mart slash from the poorly designed foxy, a spooky, admittedly spooky drawing. If Bonnie two instances of music box slash voices and two instances of security guard who is will just remain nameless, I suppose. 01:11:26:11 - 01:11:29:22 Phil Yeah. So look. 01:11:31:05 - 01:11:50:12 Phil We can we can build up tension, but we're talking about a book based on a game with killer animatronic bears and rabbits and shit. Someone should have died by now. The only death we've got is someone who died ten years ago. 01:11:50:19 - 01:11:51:03 Phil Yeah. 01:11:53:13 - 01:12:20:14 Phil This is. It's just if I were. Here's the thing. We immediately apologized to anybody who was a fan of Five Nights Freddy's, and we were pretty upfront with the fact that we are not with this book. If I were a fan of like a huge super fan of Five Nights at Freddy's and I read this this deep into it and no one had died and no one had really been in any level of real danger at all. 01:12:20:14 - 01:12:28:22 Phil A third of the way to I be pissed like I feel cheated. So I don't know what the fuck is going on here. I this. 01:12:30:23 - 01:12:31:08 Kevin So. 01:12:31:08 - 01:12:33:15 Phil Bored out of my fucking tits right now. 01:12:34:04 - 01:12:37:06 Phil Yeah, that's that's the. 01:12:37:06 - 01:12:52:17 Kevin Thing is somebody asked me what one of my friends asked me when I was complaining about it on a discord like, oh, is it like bad, you know, in a way that's fun or and I said, no, it's it's worse. It's boring, it's boring. 01:12:52:23 - 01:12:54:18 Phil It's like, man. 01:12:54:18 - 01:13:19:12 Kevin It's it is a drag. And that's I feel like I feel like bad is one thing. And yeah, I don't even like calling things bad necessarily because I think it's like it's usually just like a, it's an inarticulate criticism. Yeah to me and my cardinal sins is like the worst thing something can be is boring. Yeah. Like. 01:13:19:23 - 01:13:20:07 Phil Yeah. 01:13:21:00 - 01:13:29:03 Kevin I don't, I don't think that that's necessarily going to be a value will emotion to evoke in somebody is boredom. 01:13:30:18 - 01:13:54:21 Phil If you and I went to see a movie or something like that and we hated it just straight up, hated it and went to a diner afterwards and ate scrambled eggs until two in the morning talking about how stupid we thought the movie that would still be something because the movie got us to talk about how bad we thought it was. 01:13:54:21 - 01:14:01:20 Phil It then that the movie made some choices and maybe what it comes down to is we just didn't agree with those choices. 01:14:02:14 - 01:14:02:22 Kevin Right? 01:14:03:12 - 01:14:06:05 Phil With this. 01:14:06:05 - 01:14:08:15 Kevin It saps the energy out of it. 01:14:08:19 - 01:14:12:06 Phil It, it, it's, you know. 01:14:12:19 - 01:14:17:05 Phil You you're you're a ahead of me like you kept reading after this. 01:14:17:16 - 01:14:31:13 Kevin Yeah, I kept reading. I forgot how far we were going into it. But I read chapter five and my, my spoiler free review of chapter five is like, oh, okay. 01:14:32:03 - 01:14:34:02 Phil Well, okay. 01:14:34:02 - 01:14:35:04 Kevin There's things. 01:14:35:14 - 01:14:36:07 Phil There's things that. 01:14:36:07 - 01:14:41:14 Kevin Happen. I'll take that that are more interesting. Like the book probably could have fucking started with chapter five. 01:14:42:03 - 01:14:48:15 Phil If you had some free, right? Oh, man, oh, man. 01:14:48:23 - 01:15:02:07 Kevin There must have been like it throws. It's not like it throws continuity out or anything like that. I'm just like, oh, I mean if you throw out the first hundred 30 pages and just start here with some some tweaking to the setup, I say. 01:15:02:07 - 01:15:06:06 Phil RPG like it doesn't really. 01:15:06:07 - 01:15:07:15 Kevin Like 60 hours in. 01:15:08:00 - 01:15:15:21 Phil Yeah. I mean when you go and you get past that 30 hour mark, boom starts picking up, picking persona six is going to be. 01:15:15:21 - 01:15:21:08 Phil Amazing cut person. 01:15:21:08 - 01:15:40:22 Phil Yeah you know we talked about it earlier you know say what you want about snap as a game you know people some people think it's just kind of a cheap, stupid thrill ride, you know, and some people are super into it. Say what you want about it. The game itself has no fat. It is lean, it is mean. 01:15:41:02 - 01:15:58:12 Phil It gets you get right into it. And you know what this game is about immediately. Now you can get into that lore if you want to get into it, and there's plenty of fat chew with that, but that's totally different. This book right now feels like nothing pretty that. 01:15:59:00 - 01:16:00:00 Phil Yeah, yeah. 01:16:00:01 - 01:16:11:15 Kevin It doesn't even necessarily feel like it's super strong on the lower front either. No, other than some. It's like really long ponderous chapters connecting some loose bits together. 01:16:11:21 - 01:16:15:05 Phil You get kind of a golden Freddie reference a couple of times. 01:16:15:05 - 01:16:29:04 Kevin Yeah, the Golden Freddie reference and and yeah, I don't know. Then the dates are weird because I don't really feel like getting into five nights at Freddy's lower, but I don't though. 01:16:29:04 - 01:16:31:11 Phil That's really my job. That's not our job. 01:16:31:13 - 01:17:01:19 Kevin Very little I know about the fifth floor is like, oh, but I thought the thing that was bad was seven and this is 85 and this is 95. And okay, so there's like a whole bunch of things that I, I'm just choosing to ignore otherwise because it's who I mean. My new opinion is I really care about your canon. 01:17:01:19 - 01:17:04:17 Phil That's fair, man. 01:17:04:17 - 01:17:09:18 Kevin Like continuity is just a lie. We tell ourselves. 01:17:10:12 - 01:17:12:01 Phil Well, man, it's like. 01:17:12:16 - 01:17:14:14 Phil It's like if if this. 01:17:14:18 - 01:17:16:01 Phil Book was meant to. 01:17:16:01 - 01:17:16:15 Phil Be. 01:17:17:10 - 01:17:41:12 Phil If this book is meant to be supplementary specific to the games, then we need to be told something. We to be given something here because if you're just interested and you pick this up and, and find out later that it's like, oh, well to get what's going on in here fully, you really need to play five major threads, one through six or whatever in this order and all. 01:17:41:12 - 01:18:10:07 Phil It's just more bullshit at that point. And the continuity, the canon, I don't, I don't give a shit if I can't just enjoy a piece of it by itself, you know, like you can read, you can pick up at any of the five nights at Freddy's games, well, mostly any of the five nights of Freddy's games and just have a scary, fun, good time if you're into those kinds of games and never know about the lore. 01:18:10:07 - 01:18:20:14 Phil And I think that's one of the values in that game. And and unless something changes quick here with this book, I'm starting to feel like this. This might not be the case with this one. 01:18:21:04 - 01:18:28:02 Kevin Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how the next next set of chapters feel in our eyeballs. 01:18:29:22 - 01:18:30:07 Phil So. 01:18:31:11 - 01:18:46:16 Kevin So feel. I know your computer is is still on the mend, but you mentioned that you broke out some some consoles. Yeah, I am. I legally and contractually obligated to ask you. 01:18:47:18 - 01:18:51:14 Phil What do you play? And. Yeah, I. 01:18:51:14 - 01:19:24:00 Phil Bust out the PS4. I actually last week when I was hit with the the joys of COVID, I actually did a thing that's never happened to me on Twitter before. I did one of those survey things where like you have 30 questions and I'll give you an answer for every like I get and everything and I've done those before, but this is the first time that I got enough likes to finish the whole thing, which is new, and it was all about video games and stuff and that was super fun. 01:19:24:08 - 01:19:53:12 Phil And one of the things that it asked about was what's a game that you haven't played? But you should. And I talked about how one of my big blind spots in gaming was Metal Gear Solid, which I've never played any of those games, and I forgot that outside of that, another huge blind spot for me, which is embarrassing because I own most of the games and I've just never played them, was uncharted and so I powered up the PS4 and maps for years ago. 01:19:53:12 - 01:20:07:10 Phil When I got it came with the Nathan Drake collection, which I never got around to playing with. And and I said, You know, I've seen the damn movie. I know this. I'm sorry. Frankly, when the what's that? 01:20:07:20 - 01:20:10:01 Kevin I said, I'm sorry. 01:20:10:01 - 01:20:12:11 Phil I liked it. I thought it was good. It was that it was fun. 01:20:12:18 - 01:20:19:02 Phil But then again, I find I find Tom Holland to be just effortlessly charming. I so. 01:20:19:02 - 01:20:20:09 Kevin Adorable as and he's. 01:20:20:09 - 01:20:21:23 Phil You want to put him in your pocket. 01:20:21:23 - 01:20:28:17 Kevin He's so just right in your slime, right into your pocket. Just, you know it's a the supermarket. Even with Marky Mark present, you know, it's still there. 01:20:28:17 - 01:20:29:02 Phil No. 01:20:29:16 - 01:20:30:05 Kevin You know. 01:20:30:16 - 01:20:51:04 Phil I don't I, I don't know if he was the right choice to play Nathan Drake at this point, but he's adorable and I'll watch him do whatever. So, yeah, I, so I, I started playing it and it was one of those things where when the reboot of Tomb Raider came out around 2013, I want to say 2012, something like that. 01:20:51:04 - 01:20:51:15 Kevin The crystal. 01:20:51:16 - 01:20:54:08 Phil Dynamics. Yeah, it is one. Yeah, yeah. 01:20:54:13 - 01:21:11:14 Phil I love those games. I really the first one especially, but I really enjoyed the other two as well. And when I would tell people that they go, Oh, so you liked Uncharted? Well, actually played Uncharted and they're like, Oh, well, you've got to play Uncharted. And I'm starting see what they mean? I'm about two or 3 hours into the first one. 01:21:12:10 - 01:21:42:13 Phil I'm really enjoying it. I love the spectacle, I love the adventure, the climbing, the the controls start to get on my nerves from time to time. I've always had a problem with naughty dog controls, but it's just really enjoyable. It's just that kind of big damn action, adventure, fun, you know? Ludo Narrative dissonance be damned. It's. It's a great time and I'm definitely going to rap at least the first one up. 01:21:43:12 - 01:21:52:10 Phil You know, this was the year that I finally got around to playing the Dead Space Trilogy, so why not get into Uncharted. 01:21:52:10 - 01:21:55:20 Kevin As well just that off some classics, you know I'm off the backlog. 01:21:56:02 - 01:22:01:17 Phil Yeah so that's that's one to play. I'm really enjoying it. So yeah, that's good. So what about you, Kevin? What do you plan to. 01:22:02:14 - 01:22:21:10 Kevin I am playing Weird West still. Okay. And it's great. I love it. I'm also playing I have a I have a special hidden secret project that I'm working on with someone that I cannot divulge quite yet. But you're playing. 01:22:22:16 - 01:22:23:04 Phil What's that? 01:22:23:11 - 01:22:24:18 Phil I said you heard it here. 01:22:24:18 - 01:22:26:01 Kevin First question. 01:22:26:04 - 01:22:27:10 Phil Mark. You. Well. 01:22:27:18 - 01:22:52:04 Kevin He might have he might have announced it between the time we're recording this and the time it comes out. So I'm not going to I'm not going to spoil that announcement. But if he announced it, then you know what I'm talking about. So I'm playing through the heretic and Hex in series. Oh yeah. Some those are some classics. 01:22:53:04 - 01:22:53:14 Phil Hexum. 01:22:53:15 - 01:22:54:05 Phil The hold up. 01:22:55:00 - 01:23:30:05 Kevin Hexum too is neat. It is. You look at Hex into which runs on the quake engine or the ID tech engine that they used for quake. And it is it's a really interesting game because. It has a lot of like immersive SIM elements as well as elements that you would find like a metroid vanilla or a dark souls or something like that. 01:23:30:13 - 01:23:56:22 Kevin There's a lot of like backtracking and opening shortcuts and things like that in hex to it also doesn't have any like lives or anything like that. There's like a lot of little checkpoints. So if you die, it just puts you back to the beginning, like the area that you were just in. It's neat. It's a neat game. And and I've been I've been enjoying my playthrough of it so far. 01:23:57:13 - 01:23:59:16 Phil Nice. Yeah, yeah. 01:24:00:03 - 01:24:05:22 Kevin It's good stuff. And I have been putting in way too many hours in Weird West like too much, too. 01:24:05:22 - 01:24:08:03 Phil Many hours I, I've got to play that game. 01:24:08:03 - 01:24:29:16 Kevin I was looking at this point I'm just like I've realized that the main quest doesn't have like a timer, so I'm just like, Oh, I'm just going to fuck around the map. Then it's going to go to Osama. I'm just going to go to towns and see what's going on. Oh, you talk to people and see if they have can they, can they give me a side quests? 01:24:30:15 - 01:24:34:03 Kevin Yeah, dude, I'll go kill that dude for $100. Sure. No doubt. 01:24:34:03 - 01:24:34:08 Phil Yeah. 01:24:36:18 - 01:24:37:23 Phil That's excellent. 01:24:38:19 - 01:24:43:22 Kevin So that's what I'm playing as of. As of right now. 01:24:43:22 - 01:24:45:13 Phil Sweet. Yeah. 01:24:45:22 - 01:24:50:08 Kevin So that brings us to the end of this episode. We actually made it through in. 01:24:50:14 - 01:24:51:13 Phil A. 01:24:52:03 - 01:25:22:17 Kevin Simple overrides episode. It hasn't broke yet if if you want to help us out. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram. Our handle on both is pixelate pod. Visit our web page at Pixelate podcast. From there, there are links to our discord and to our steam curator page where you can see reviews of the games we talk about in the What Do You Playing segment? 01:25:23:09 - 01:25:40:10 Kevin Yes, if you have the means, the wherewithal, please rate his five stars on iTunes, Spotify, good pods or wherever you're listening and has a rating system and otherwise. 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